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Take a look at eevee, the PokéBox is in dire need of restructuring, what with the three new PokéDexes and even all the varying kinds of abilities are just getting out of hand. Either we change the entire box concept and go to the standard straight line across the right side of the page like we do in other article types or just a reordering and replacing of where all of this info should go.

So first things first, should we keep the boxy across the entire page layout or should we go to the straight line, aligned to the right of the page infobox layout? Once that is decided we can continue on to how things should be structured.

Thoughts? 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 02:33, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the current one is confusing. Playing the cry of the Pokemon just expands the box and making it less understandble. I agree with felinoel's idea. --I'd like your feedback as to whether I was brilliant or simply outstanding. 13:34, October 24, 2013 (UTC)
lol which one? I gave two options, turning the box into a regularly shaped infobox or just reordering things so that it is a relatively even rectangle across the top of the page again. 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 13:43, October 24, 2013 (UTC)
Hard to say. But, we can just put the cry below the image, while the PokéDex numbers on the other side. Energy X 20:04, October 24, 2013 (UTC)
Below the image? Like where we currently put the evolution at?
We could lose the evolution portion of the pokebox completely and just use this instead. 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 20:09, October 24, 2013 (UTC)
That is a good idea. Well, the only thing I don't see is in which Generation the Pokémon belongs to. Should it be instated back in the template? Energy X 20:27, October 24, 2013 (UTC)
Well... if you look at Bulbasaur what generation he is in is shown on the Template:GenInav on the bottom of the page? lol 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 20:37, October 24, 2013 (UTC)
What do you people think of this design (could someone tell me were to post the code here). I was able to adjust it like this (need help after this). My plan is to add more section below the "Regional Pokedex" part like "Pokedex Entries", "Base Stats", "Evolutionary Line" and then either use the "Collapse" or "Tabber" or "Switch" tags on them to hide them (so that the over all template doesn't look to large). With this design the basic info of the Pokemon's are easily viewable while the more in-depth parts would stay hidden. Like for example, if the "Collapse" tag is used then this should be the output (made this one with the help of PhotoShop). I am not sure if i would be able to make it completely by myself with my limited knowledge or understanding regarding coding. Also i need help on some other aspects as well but that i would tell about if this design is accepted.--Supratim1986 (talk) 10:35, October 26, 2013 (UTC)
Actually I think it is fine as is like that. 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 04:57, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry if i sound like an idiot asking this, but what do you exactly mean. Are you implying that the Structure that i suggested is Fine, or is it that the one being used presently is Fine and there is no need to restructure it.--Supratim1986 (talk) 11:01, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
You said you felt you needed to add a tabber to include extra information and I was saying that it is fine without.
Maybe a place for the sound it makes at the very bottom though... 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 12:58, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying that. I posted the adjusted data on this page. If you feel that place is wrong then could you move it to the proper place. Also i would like you to see the data and correct any mistakes or error in it. And after that i would like your help to add options to differentiate the data of the Ability (Normal 1 & 2 and Hidden 1 & 2), Johto (GSC & HGSS) & Unova (BW & B2W2) fields. Also i think it would be better to create another Pokébox exclusive for Mega Evolved Pokémons, since the amount of info relating to them is less, so it would be kind of useless to use the same fields as the ones we use for other pokemons.--Supratim1986 (talk) 19:41, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
Your userspace is fine.
I agree that a secondary pokebox with less info would be appropriate for the new forms of pokemon like these "Mega" forms, especially since it is rumored that there will soon be a ton more. 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 22:03, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
Ok then, i would work on making a simplified template for the Mega Evo's.
Posted an example page in here. Could anyone help me make fields for entering the Pokédex Numbers of HGSS & B2W2 in there for easier entry (it would be helpful if the same could be done for Hidden Abilities as well)..--Supratim1986 (talk) 10:27, October 29, 2013 (UTC)


Suggested changes

Supratim1986: if I may, is it possible that I could make a few changes to the box? if you would like, I can help with the things that you needed help with. just hop on chat and give me a good description of how you would like for them to appear. Also I will be asking ye if I can adjust and add parameters for the evolution and ndexnext/prev   Slayingthehalcyon   (Talk)  14:44,10/29/2013    4,178  
I just went ahead and copied, made some changes, here's my version of said template, template of concern and I added ndexprev/next and evofrom/into.   Slayingthehalcyon   (Talk)  14:58,10/29/2013    4,178  
I don't have any problem with you making changes, since any type of help would be appreciated. As for the ones you made, i think that "ndexprev/next" is sort of a useless field to add, since there are already some Pokemons pages that separately have that field above the Pokébox Template (Example) which looks actually much better. And it was sort of decided that a different Template would be used in regards to "Evolutions" of a Pokemon in here, since in case of some there might be some complications.--Supratim1986 (talk) 18:05, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
I kinda like the Ndex/Prev, To me, it makes it seem more like you were looking at it in a pokédex device. >.< I have been wanting to do away with that template that you said was on some of the Pokémon pages, as I think putting more information into the pokébox, would be better. I will be working on the move boxes here pretty soon. I will most likely start working on them when I get a large break from school. >.< : In regards to evolution, I like the new template for it, hopefully its the same one that Feloneil has been working on.I hope to be producing a template that will help us display the range of stats over the expanse of 10 levels of a pokémon. That may or may not be extremely hard to do, as I have had trouble trying to figure out a design that looks and works the way that I want it to.   Slayingthehalcyon   (Talk)  18:17,10/29/2013    4,178  
Uh, have you put in the voice (cry)? It is an important part in the box that shouldn't be left out. Energy X 20:54, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
I know that but we have to remember that people rarely listen to a Pokémon's Cry (even if they are an important part) so it isn't compulsory to make a field for it in the top part of the template were the major info are to be placed. And with the development that the XY Games received, almost all older Pokémon's Cry have been updated to match the sound quality that a 3DS could give us. So, considering that, we have to work around and maybe add a few new fields that would keep track of a Pokémon's Cry from each Gens Hand-held device (GB, GBC, GBA, NDS, 3DS) and the format they were created in (as long as there is a change in the Pokemon's Cry quality and style, we have to keep track of it).--Supratim1986 (talk) 07:25, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
It may be a good idea, for us to figure out what kind of information we'll be taking out of the template, and where the best place to put it on the page is... Oh and Supratim, you have my thanks, its an extreme task taking on changing something like the pokébox, and its another thing all together to get it to work. c: Supra, (if you don't mind me calling you that) We could probably build a new template that has the cries of the pokémon, from the respective generations. The only problem, is finding a (I think that I have one, using "{{#if:{{{1}}}|is{{{2}}}then same}}" Or something to that effect) So that if a cry is the same for a couple of generations, that it won't display the same cry on all three generation fields on the template. I will be building that template today and tomorrow... Fielonel should have his evolution template finished, I'm interested to see how exactly he has done the evolution for Eevee and for other pokémon with more than one evolution.   Slayingthehalcyon   (Talk)  12:38,10/30/2013    4,178  
Technically i didn't do much work on that template design that i posted. I just used the presently being used Pokébox template structure and rearranged it based on the idea and thought i had. As i have already mentioned, i have limited knowledge and understanding regarding how coding works and that's the reason why i still had some problems which i couldn't work out for now, and incidentally for me, i have problems utilizing the "if" conditions properly as well. That being said, i would try to figure out the thing which you mentioned regarding the "Pokémon Cry" field, but it would take some time from my side.
And that aside, could you tell me how to use the "Collapse" & "Tabber" tags on a template page in this wikia (since each wiki has different template data, i had to know how things are used here so i could try to work out more things).--Supratim1986 (talk) 17:45, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah I said try putting the cry at the very bottom, since it stretches things when it is clicked.
That looks way better than what we currently have imo, a lot better. In fact calling back to what Slay said it actually looks like a PokéDex entry. 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 15:52, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Hi y'all. I'm currently going through all the Pokemon pages and updating the coding/making the layout of each page the same. I noticed this forum and just want to ask: will this be implemented at any time? I don't want to go through all ~718 pages then find out something was changed and have to back through them all. Thanks for any response! MissingNo.GhostSpriteLord of Shadows Words mean nothing! 22:43, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

I would like it to be, but talk of it stopped... Anyways the coding on each of the pokemon articles won't be changed the template itself would. 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 05:30, November 15, 2013 (UTC)
Alright, that's good to hear. Now I can continue working without thinking I'll screw something up :D MissingNo.GhostSpriteLord of Shadows Words mean nothing! 23:52, November 15, 2013 (UTC)
You could also opinionate on the new design suggestion. 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 04:32, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
I think it looks great and much better than the current one. My main question is what do we do about multiple evolutions? The problem with Eevee is still current as far as I can see. MissingNo.GhostSpriteLord of Shadows Words mean nothing! 05:18, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
Personally I say use this
403. ƒelinoel_ 048 07:06, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
It may slightly resemble what Serebii uses but that can't be helped other than coding it based on the PokeBox here's code. 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 17:29, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
Since this is about reconstructing the Pokébox, can something be done about the form change icons? You put it in the Pokébox and the Pokédex number is what the image is called. Like instead of Mega Venusaur being 003 it's 003M because of the image name. Sorry if this is a tad off-topic and sorry if you are also talking about this, this discussion is too big to look over everything. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 23:43, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
You mean... you want it to automatically assign the image based on the ndex number assigned and you want the option to say yes to to make it use the ndex plus the letter M? But what about Pichu and Shaymin? Won't those mess up their pokeboxes? 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 23:47, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
No I mean having the boxes fixed to have the Pokémon's dex number instead of the image name. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 00:19, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
How do you mean? 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 01:01, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
...I don't know how to explain it any better to you... --OmegaRasengan (talk) 01:05, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
Why does it need "fixed"
What exactly is broken? 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 01:32, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
Nothing is "broken", but what needs to be fixed is the dex number for the Pokémon forms. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 01:55, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
This is where I am confused... if nothing is broken then what are you fixing? Don't the dex numbers work fine, they look right to me..? 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 02:15, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
I understand what he was saying. It's been fixed Omega. MissingNo.GhostSpriteLord of Shadows Words mean nothing! 03:11, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
Ohhhhh that. 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 03:19, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

I haven't really been around to add on to any of the above conversation, but I definitely like the proposals at the top compared to the current versions. However, I would have proposed a more wikipedia looking info box. One that is all the way to the right side with all the info underneath the image, rather than a big box in the middle of the page. It just looks more organized. Just as an example, take a look at Pikachu on Wikipedia. Our info box would obviously include height, weight, etc. but that is the concept I would propose.  Technology Wizard  Talk  Contribs  00:48, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

You mean a standard infobox? Like what our characters here use? 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 02:55, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
I feel like that would break the flow of the article, as well as cause problems for headers and pictures in the article. MissingNo.GhostSpriteLord of Shadows Words mean nothing! 19:07, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

So... When's this being implemented, if it still is? MissingNo.GhostSpriteLord of Shadows Words mean nothing! 19:07, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

idk if it will since no one seems to like it. 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 05:36, February 21, 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to be starting a new forum for this, so that we can figure out what we want to go into the new boxes, and figure out what we need from the old boxes, and what not. The second talk for this topic.

  Slayingthehalcyon   (Talk)  20:45,2/23/2014    4,178  

Is that needed...? 403. ƒelinoel_ 048 07:52, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

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